P is for Pills

This post is part of the ongoing Alphabet Series. Listen along to my recording on YouTube and/or read the article below ♥♀

I’ll admit that I’ve been both threatening and looking forward to writing this post for a long time. I’m going to attempt to do a brief navigation through the various groups that you’ll find online and in the meat world if you’re looking for a drug of choice that soothes your patriarchal suffering and that may attempt to address women’s issues or even feminism. The problem is that so many of these groups, especially the ones where members say they are feminists or where the word ‘feminism’ even appears in the name, have little to nothing to do with real feminism. So newbies can find themselves lost, confused, and sometimes abused if they enter a group and start asking legitimate questions.

Please note that I’m definitely not going to cover every single group or movement out there, so if you see something missing that you have had experience with, please throw it in the comments. Likewise, please feel free to share any experiences you’ve had with any of the groups I mention. I’d be very appreciative, and I know some readers would as well.

I’m going to give this post a slightly longer title: P is for Pills, Pablum and Pretenders, so that I adequately cover the range of groups I’ll get into. I’m also providing an article published by the Anti-Defamation League that looks at a number of ‘pilled’ groups run by men. It is important to understand that male groups and female groups, even if they use similar jargon, are always different, especially when they are labelled ‘extreme’. All extreme male groups are violent and often engage in domestic, international or online terrorism of target enemies. Women’s groups are sometimes labelled extreme even by other female-oriented groups, but they are never violent or actually extreme, objectively speaking. And they don’t target innocent ‘enemies’ the way all men’s groups do. These women’s groups are called extreme for the exact same reasons that women are called ‘crazy’ or ‘illogical’; males are threatened by female ideas that speak truths about the male nature and behaviour, so they try to discredit them, and women are smacked in the face with cognitive dissonance brought on by the truths about men and female complicity with patriarchy, and they react with denouncement. But here’s the thing: most, if not all, of the groups I’m going to talk about have been banned on at least one social media platform. Men’s groups are seldom, if ever, banned – even if they talk about rape and other violence that women apparently deserve. But women talking about women’s issues are a threat to society and must be silenced in a community that values free speech.

And with that, let’s jump in. We’ll start with the pills.

While males like to refer to being either blue-pilled or red-pilled, and it applies within a political context and among violent incels who all want women to die after some serious raping, within women’s circles, the pills have nothing to do with violence.

Blue Pill

This isn’t really a thing, but I’m including it as sort of the default heterosexual woman state. This is the ‘ignorance is bliss’ approach to life. Question nothing, accept everything or at least pretend it doesn’t exist, especially if it doesn’t directly affect you.

Red Pill

Some people equate this to what is known as Female Dating Stratey. Red Pill males are incels who are violent misogynists who believe that the world operates to benefit women and they need to do what is necessary to turn that around. For women, there is no violence involved. Women know that men are garbage, but they still, for some reason, need to get themselves one. They prioritize themselves, develop a ‘queen’ mentality, seem to acknowledge that their cunts have value, and focus on finding a high-value male to match their own high value while minimizing the harm males do to them. It is super gross. They are in no way equal to the red pill incel mentality, but I can’t understand these women at all. And needless to say, this is not feminism, even if today’s libfem might call it female empowerment.

If you really need to know more about this, there are women who have written handbooks on the topic including here.

Pink Pill Feminism

Pink Pill, by itself, is used by men to refer to the female version of incels (or involuntary celebates), called femcels. But while online groups of these women exist, and even do call themselves femcels, they are nothing like the males. I’ve cruised through some of their group discussions and the content just makes me feel sad. These women claim they can’t get men for sex or dating, but unlike the men, their frustration is turned inward and they go on and on about being too ugly. They live in a deep fog of self-hatred and depression, which is so completely unnecessary. The men, on the other hand, blame women for all their problems and fantasize about doing horrific things to women.

Pink Pill Feminism, on the other hand, isn’t true feminism, but a forum for mostly heterosexual women to come together and document straight male bullshit without an element of ‘Not All Men!!!’. They were banned from Reddit and at one point the site Pink Pill Feminism was set up, and to sign up, you had to confirm your female status through Zoom, to prevent infiltration by males. At this writing, the site appears to be down. I’m aware of another site, ThePinkPill.co, which looks like it is under development and you can enter your email to be updated when and if something happens.

Black Pill Feminism

I’ve spent considerably more time in this community and I’ve met some awesome, intelligent and no-bullshit women through discussions. However, I am not 100% with the tenets, even though they consider me to be a classic Black-Piller. Black-Pillers believe everything is biological – both male violence and female subservience – and that the latter has been bred into women and there is no escaping from worshipping males and letting them dominate. I am a firm believer in a Nature-Nurture intertwining. Males are biological wired to be violent and that can’t be changed. But they have developed a sociological system that rewards them for their violence and that rewards women for submitting and punishes them brutally for rebelling. I don’t in any way believe women are biologically wired for subservience.

Black Pill Feminism Tenets

This group is considered to be ‘extreme’ and was banned on Reddit. A small group started up and currently barely exists on Saidit.net. I don’t consider it to be real feminism, and it can attract some rather woman-hating and angry women (if they are women, that is – it is anonymous, of course…), but some of the more interesting and honest discussions I’ve encountered have happened in Black Pill circles, and you never encounter ‘Not All Men!’.

Gender Critical

This is not a group I typically hang out in, as I don’t consider it to be feminism. If you consult Scrotalpedia, they equate it with Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism. It is absolutely not radical feminism, and group members are generally not truly opposed to gender, especially if you are critiquing women’s performance of it. Rather, this group is opposed to and focused on the Trans Cult and its encroachments on what is typically seen to be the domain of females. You don’t actually have to be feminist to oppose the trans, and many of the members are practising straight women who also hate homosexuality. They really should rename themselves ‘Trans Critical’.

Real feminists are not gender critical, but gender abolitionists because they see the major role gender plays in forcing women into subservience, discomfort, and an infantilized, but hyper-sexualized state – all pandering to the oppressor class.

Socialist, Communist and Anarcha-Feminism

These are related feminisms that agree on one point: that patriarchy and capitalism work together to exploit and oppress women. They focus on unpaid motherhood (which it’s not) and reproductive rights, which means that heterosexuality and breeding are centred and a growing number of women, including lesbians, the celibate, and the child-free are completely alienated. Also, since the primary focus is on economic class, what is neglected is the most serious patriarchal problem that affects all women in all corners of the globe: male violence. Giving women more money doesn’t solve male violence and the fear that women are forced to live with. You can be rich or middle-class, and that won’t save you from being raped or murdered, in other words. In my opinion, this is one of the major problems with women piggy-backing on male movements. Instead of taking a social issue and then injecting women into it, you never really get to what is most important. You need to start with women and then analyze their issues instead of the opposite.

More detail on socialist feminism.

Eco-Feminism

Like the previous splinter group, eco-feminists hold patriarchy and capitalism responsible for female domination and the destruction of the environment. I remember sitting in a college class in Environmental Management a few years ago, and there was a tiny blurb in the textbook on eco-feminism, and the male prof launched into a diatribe on the ridiculousness of feminism. Despite never once announcing to the class that I was a feminist, people started shooting glances at me. I am such a non-descript person, yet there is something about me that just screams militant man-hater… One of the military females in the class gave me the side-eye and started yelling out, “I hate feminists!”, which didn’t surprise me in the least as I can’t think of anything more antithetical to femalehood than the military. Needless to say, I didn’t say a word, but sat there with as neutral a look on my face as I could manage.

Anyhow, while I agree with some of the issues eco-feminism addresses, these women frequently partner with men, and they are still piggy-backing on a male movement. Many of these groups don’t go far enough in holding men responsible for the destruction of the planet. The other issue I have, and I wrestle with it constantly as it can’t be solved, is the opposition to meat-eating. I’ve been vegetarian, and it nearly destroyed my health, especially during a period of very difficult manual labour. I’ve since done a lot of research, and have come to understand the following. First, it is likely that humans were mostly only able to develop such complex brains because of eating meat-based proteins. And second, there is a great deal of research, including long-running observational and case studies that demonstrate that cultures that almost completely consume meat, fat, organs, etc. don’t show the cancers and heart disease of high-carb cultures. But here is the thing, we are vastly overpopulated due to long-term male domination. I firmly believe that we were never meant to live in such large numbers. And the only way to support a massive and growing population is to create exploitative and land-destructive processes. We should be hunting and gathering and fishing with limited farming as opposed to destroying our oceans, soil, and mutating plants, and torturing animals with abandon. A female-only society would look very, very different, although we are well past the point of no return on our planet.

Oh, I have to mention one other strange, and hilarious and sad thing. I learned a new word when I went a-browsing for eco-feminist groups online. Harvard’s Women’s Centre put on an eco-feminism workshop, and in their description, they put the following:

“This philosophy emphasizes the ways a patriarchal society exerts dominance over both gender-minoritized people and nature…”

Gender-minoritized??? Ah, trannies. So the feminism that Harvard espouses has nothing to do with women’s oppression, but that of trannies. Didn’t Harvard used to be a respected, world-class university at one point in time? New depths in education. It really is an embarrassment

Liberal Feminism

I’m going to resist going into a lot of detail because this is an established on and offline mainstream feminism. My nickname for liberal feminism is ‘slut feminism’. These are mostly heterosexual, highly feminine, male-identified women who pursue equality and allow men to participate and even dictate feminist policy and events. They champion the ‘not all men’ movement and believe in socialization as the primary way to explain why males here and there managed to do horrific things to females. They also believe that males are harmed by patriarchy. They fight for small things that can’t possibly make a dent in the mountain of women’s problems. They love jargon and slogans so they don’t have to do any critical analysis. They are into empowerment, agency and sexual liberation, including porn and prostitution, so pretty much everything they think spells sexual freedom for females is actually primarily beneficial for men, and they end up accepting a lot of violence and degradation that men have sold to them as healthy and freeing. Needless to say, they do a great deal of harm to women and girls, and it keeps men doing what they do best.

Radical Feminism

A lot of women call themselves radical feminists, but aren’t, so this can be very confusing to those wondering what they are about. They are also the primary target of the Trans Cult – after lesbians, that is.

Radical feminism used to have a very basic definition, which is key to a potentially successful movement. They said that females as a class were systemically oppressed by males on the basis of sex. Male violence and sexual violence were a key feature of that oppression, and it was necessary to abolish gender in order to eliminate the class system.

Unfortunately, over time, radfems adopted intersectionality and inclusivity as ruling principles, and the movement no longer focused on women as a united oppressed class. Today, there is all sorts of in-fighting and purity testing and posing and Oppression Olympics and the censorship and blaming of different groups of women. Women like myself, eventually got turned off and have turned towards less messy affiliations in order to return to the true roots of feminism.

Lesbian Feminism, Female Separatism, Anti-Natalism and Gynocentrism

I’m not going to say a lot here. I have an entire post on Gynocentrism, which I think is the truest, clearest and least messy form of feminism. These four perspectives can work together, but they don’t have to. For me, they do. I am a celibate lesbian, I believe in existing apart from males as much as is womanly possible, I believe that humans need to stop breeding, and I believe in a focus of all resources and energy and care on women and girls only. Many women would consider these principles to be extreme, but I truly believe they are the truest path to health, safety, love, support, community, and self-actualization for women. It is the only way to find one’s natural self, and to reclaim the energy to help other women and girls, so that they can pay it forward. Patriarchal society functions in the opposite way, with men and boys parasitizing women and girls and forcing them into the most unnatural and harmful lifestyles and ways of thinking possible.

So I’ve come to the end of a long discussion, and here is my question for you. What will be your approach to living in the world of men? Do you want to take the blue pill, do you want to drink one of the of kool-aids, or do you want to get off the meds altogether?

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Posted on April 27, 2024, in Feminism, Patriarchy, Separatism, The Alphabet Series and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 12 Comments.

  1. Thanks for the interesting rundown. I relate to gynocentrism as well. I’ve had exposure to black pill and radical feminism, and I found out a bit about red pill, which I probably find the most loathsome of the lot, personally. I think due to the fact that it is built on the most obvious cognitive dissonance. As you say, they know men are crap, but they can work with that! Very self-destructive ethos at core.

    I’ve not heard much about pink pill feminism, although I have met a few women who probably related to the ideas. These are mainly very young women who are upset that they apparently don’t attract men. If that were actually true, how lucky they would be.

    I experienced liberal feminism in the real world when I was in my early twenties, not online. Most of the women I hung out with fit that bill, and they were all quite a bit older than me. I look back on that time and see a lot of masochism and chaos in the air. I remember hearing about Andrea Dworkin as a figure of ridicule. Sex positivity was the prevailing theme.

    I agree that women aren’t naturally subservient. I find it hard to work for men, which is the only nominally voluntary interactions I have with men outside my family. Most bosses I’ve had have been men, and they are usually tall, big, and bullying, which matches with the statistics about most CEO’s etc. After leaving my current job, my goal is to never work for this type again. I am aware that this may be a pipe dream, but it is nevertheless now a conscious goal.

    Thanks for all your writings.

    • Thanks so much for your comment. “I look back on that time and see a lot of masochism and chaos in the air.” This is really aptly put and describes the lib-fem scene well. I keep wondering whether the belief system rewards or gives a satisfying justification for patriarchal suffering that all women have, so it is irresistible and ‘makes sense’ to them. Sort of in a similar way that religious doctrine gives a context and purpose to patriarchal suffering for more conservative women, and they become very attached to that branch of anti-woman nonsense. It’s something I need to think about, so thanks for that insight.

      I like your goal very much – I have something similar, although mine is to successfully be my own boss and avoid the overlord scenario altogether 😉 Good luck to us both! I know women who seem to have accepted the idea that they need to have someone running the show and don’t mind following blindly, especially if it is a man (natural leaders… and all that). But once you’ve opened your eyes to how things work, it is really difficult to see men as anything worth following, supporting, or wasting a single drop of energy on.

      • Your comparison of lib feminism and religion as options of justification for patriarchal suffering is not something I’ve ever considered, but it rings true. And once women embrace either option, they tend to give their energies to maintaining and defending the respective ideologies, which are considered opposing, but are united in hatred/othering of women.

        I hope you can be your own boss in the near future, free of all overlords – I know that problem bosses come in a variety of types. But it irks me most to be part of an apparatus supporting the biggest male gorilla, as enlightening as these experiences have been as unforgettable primary source evidence of male power dynamics in real time. Yes, best of luck to us both!

      • I’ve had one or two fairly good bosses, but it can be hit or miss finding these near-unicorns, unless you have a special skill and can target people with good reputations for whom you’d like to work. Most people don’t have that luxury, sadly. Keep me posted on your progress – I love success stories, or at least stories where women can get something they want without having to sacrifice their souls. ♥♀

  2. FYI, ThePinkPill.co is not under construction, despite what it says. It was hacked and invaded by incels (from the official terrorist incel website) a few years ago.

    I’ve heard via rumors that the creator of the site had a bf at the time, and also wasn’t making it any money from it, so I have very little faith that she’ll bring the site up again. Not that I blame her – the site was a hellhole of angry infighting. Basically, take all the angry women of the internet who’ve been silenced on other platforms for various reasons and put them all in one place….lol. I enjoyed my time there but it was a mess.

    • It was actually really cool though because it was basically just a smaller version of reddit but where you could have discussions and socialize with other female-centered women and no men. There were various feminist groups (“pinkpilled” ones, “blackpilled” ones, etc) but also just random groups dedicated to various interests, like STEM, gardening, music, fashion, etc.

      • There are so few spaces where there are women-only discussions. It amazes me how many women don’t realize how censored/monitored they are and how much of a difference it makes to discuss even just basic topics without a male present to put this 2 cents in.

    • Thanks for the info!!! Much appreciated. It doesn’t surprise me that the site was hacked. It is funny and crappy that men are sooo threatened by women.

      I think I tried to join that site a while back, but I waited too long to schedule a zoom session and then I wasn’t allowed to reapply using the same email address. So I couldn’t be bothered. It would have been fun to lurk briefly just to see what issues came up. I probably wouldn’t have handled the infighting for very long. I don’t enjoy conflict. But I can imagine that it served as an outlet for the censored. I’m glad you got something out of it 🙂

  3. antariantales's avatar antariantales

    Very informative post! I’d encountered all these terms before in some capacity and while I tend to grow weary when terminology starts ballooning in so many different directions, this summary is a helpful translation that I’ll keep in my back pocket when navigating the interwebs. 

    I went to an all girls school from daycare through the end of high school during which feminism isn’t something I ever really explicitly thought about. I was just me, girls could do anything and made up my entire social landscape, and the wider world was my oyster despite being firmly kept in a bubble with my older sister. Boys were more of a concept than an active reality. There was a boys school up the street and every interaction I had with students there was distinctly negative but I attributed it to be an issue with the school itself rather than a reflection on males in their totality. 

    So it’s only once going to college that I grew to recognize my primarily female experience up to that point as something rare and valuable and it’s only in college where I ran into women actively discussing feminism. This was 2012 which I believe was also the birth of Tinder, the general wide acceptance of dating apps, and the celebration of hookup culture. In that environment I was branded an anti-feminist suffering from internalized misogyny for saying stuff that I thought was common sense like… you shouldn’t sign up to be a camgirl or to get matched with a sugar daddy… so I figured I wasn’t a feminist at all. I was just a “sensible individual who valued women.” XD

    Because of that I didn’t mention or talk about feminism – because the debates that would result from that would flabbergast me more than anything – with anyone until the plague hit and I found myself with all this free time on the internet. Of course all the while leading up to that, I was dealing with being in all these mixed sex environments which was also extremely tiring (understatement), but was also living in women’s residences in a couple cities primarily maintained by church organizations that nonetheless restored a feeling of normalcy I had grown up with. Unsurprisingly, at one particular residence a bunch of us got amused over breakfast realizing we all went to similar schools growing up and that’s the first time in adulthood where I encountered any women who simply found the presence of men exhausting (understatement) and voiced finding value in female communities and friendships. 

    As for right now, most people I encounter online refer to me as a separatist but I’m not well read enough on most of this stuff to… idk.. make any grandiose claims. From my point of view, I’m just in a near constant state of seeking what I consider to be normalcy. I feel very strongly about female-only spaces and even more strongly about female-only living arrangements (because the most dangerous place a man can be is in your house). In my occupation, I do my best to set the record straight to combat all there is to combat. I’ve had varying levels of success ten years in and have formed great bonds with many women along the way!

    • Hi, I love your comment – thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve never met anyone who spent their entire pre-university education in a single-sex environment, so I am fascinated to hear your point-of-view. The closest I’ve come is scoring a job in an all-girls high school in Kyrgyzstan a few years ago. I was incredibly excited for a number of reasons, but sadly, due to visa problems, I was only able to stay for a few months, and had to move on. The girls were awesome, and a few of the teachers were quite good as well. Lots of toxic patriarchal female stuff going on.

      ” I’m just in a near constant state of seeking what I consider to be normalcy.” This really hit home for me. This feeling is my fantasy about what all females should feel when in an all-female environment. I think women and girls are seldom in all-female spaces or experiences. I suppose some feel strange or uncomfortable, but some sense a specialness that you seldom get due to men and boys being in our faces and spaces most of the time. It should just be normal – it is the only way women and girls can feel safe and natural and find their true selves without having to perform for those who sit above them in all ways (artificially).

      How interesting (but more and more common these days) that you were considered ‘anti-feminist’ for valuing women. Liberal feminists really have things twisted up in their minds – there is no analysis at all. There is no understanding of what feminism means or where it came from or what the central issues for women are.

      Men are, indeed, exhausting. Monitoring them and monitoring yourself in order to stay safe due to their volatility, having to listen to their noise, and so much more – it is exhausting.

      Yeah, don’t worry about labels too much. They are really just identifiers so that people can deal with each other initially. It’s the consistency between beliefs and behaviours that matter most. Some of the women I’ve found to be the most ‘feminist’ don’t actually call themselves that or belong to a group with that word in the title. They just show what they are through their actions and lifestyles.

      Thanks so much for being here ♥♀

      • antariantales's avatar antariantales

        Thank you for your response and also for sticking with this blog for so long and opening up recent posts for comments!

        What I found distinctly valuable about the girls school experience was that there were only 600 of us age 4 through 18 and we had this long hallway that connected the entire school. So when I was very young, even for girls who didn’t have sisters of their own, you could be in that hallway going to and from the cafeteria and have the occasional cool interaction with the older girls who I mostly admired from a distance.

        But I think it was that admiration and being able to see concretely what my future would be like (at least within the school) that was very motivating for me. Then of course when I was older and had kids looking up to me similarly, it put things into perspective even as the usual teenage growing pains were ongoing. I have a lot of pride for that place. Unfortunately it has since gone co-ed (absorbed into the boys school) and been destroyed.

      • What an excellent experience!! – I’m saddened that the school went co-ed. That situation only benefits boys as they have smart girls to cheat off of and fresh victims to bully and sexually intimidate and violate. For girls, co-ed schools only serve to prepare them for heterosexuality: wifery and motherhood and servitude and making excuses and self-sabotage, etc. Boys are a distraction at the least, and terrorists at their worst, and it is cruel to force girls to learn in that kind of war zone.